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An Interview with Dru Levasseur: Trans Attorney and Advocate

Dru Levasseur

By Gretchen Feil

In 2012, our late founder Robina Asti, 92 at the time, googled “LGBT rights” online when she faced discrimination from the Social Security Administration. Asti had been in the closet for 30 years, but promptly “marched” into the Lambda Legal offices in New York City to seek legal counsel in order to “come out to fight for herself, and for a larger community,” Dru Levasseur told us in a recent interview. 

We met with Dru Levasseur to discuss his experiences as a renowned transgender activist and lawyer, and he recounted this unforgettable introduction to Robina. Despite being treated as “suspect” and being denied her rights to survivor benefits from the Social Security Administration when her husband Norwood Patton passed away, Levasseur said that Robina acted as a “powerful activist.” Asti was denied her survivor benefits on the basis that her and Patton’s marriage was invalid because the Social Security Administration claimed that she wasn’t legally a woman at the time of her marriage, even though Asti had “taken every step possible” to change her identity documents, and had lived in the world as a woman for decades before her marriage. 

With the help of individuals like Dru Levasseur at Lambda Legal, Asti was able to make an appeal for her case, and won. On Valentine’s Day the following year, Asti’s survivor benefits finally appeared in her bank account. Asti said that “I felt like it was my husband’s Valentine’s Day gift to me.” Levassuer explained that this wasn’t just a victory for Robina, it was an “impact litigation. . .it was the kind of impact case where it affected every trans person who would be applying for survivor benefits with Social Security. They had to adjust their policy.” 

Dru And Robina
Dru Levasseur and Robina Asti marching together at an LGBTQ+ Pride parade.

In a over two decades as activist, Dru Levasseur has worked on countless other legal cases and transgender rights campaigns that have made important strides for for the transgender and greater LGBTQ+ community. We spoke with Levasseur about his experiences working with trans plaintiffs, and he said that it was “meaningful” both for him and his plaintiffs to be able to connect on the basis of their gender identities, especially considering the circumstances that many clients were forced to go through when going public with their cases. 

Prior to going public with a case, Levasseur explains to plaintiffs that it is unlikely that they will ever be able to fully go back into the closet, that they could face extreme amounts of backlash due to a lack of understanding and blatant prejudice that members of the transgender community face. Despite this, Levasseur told us that he is also able to reassure individuals that he would do his best to keep them “safe and anonymous.” Moreover, as a trans attorney, being able to tell “another trans person: what you’re going to do is so important, it would be such a gift, to tell your story, to put yourself out there in court papers,” was extremely impactful. Levasseur continued “we have to keep the power where the pain is. . .We are the experts on our own lives, and I firmly believe that with any marginalized population,” those are “the people who need to be leading the work, and that’s not easy.” However, “I never had somebody say ‘well then I don’t want to do it.’ They always said yes.” 

In addition to supporting plaintiffs throughout their court cases, Levasseur makes a point to mentor the next generation of activists. He told us “I’ve done public interest my whole career. That was what I aimed to do, and that’s what I’ve done, so I’m very passionate about mentoring the next generation of people. As I shared, my own path was very challenging, and I felt very alone, it was very difficult for me to find mentorship.” 

For that reason, Levasseur vowed to always make himself available, “to always invest in other people, particularly trans people of color, who are not represented, particularly in the legal profession.” Levasseur’s work and values “have been around making that space [for mentorship], and then also moving out of the way, which I think not a lot of people talk about,” because, “at some point, you have to say that you’re taking up this space, and you have to move on.”

Currently, Levasseur works at the National LGBTQ+ Bar Association, where he is the Director of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. There, he says, “I get to do coaching and mentorship for associates, attorneys, firms, people in workplaces, and law students. So that’s already embedded in part of the work that I’m doing.” Additionally, for the 2021 – 2022 school year, Levasseur will serve as the Wasserstein Public Interest Fellow at Harvard Law School, which is an important step for transgender representation at such an influential institution. There, he will meet with and mentor law students, hoping to inspire the next generation of legal professionals. 

When asked who Dru looks to when he needs motivation, he said he seeks out “family members, partners, people who were there at critical moments when I felt like I had nobody else rooting for me and who really saw me. . .I think [something] shared by a lot of trans people is the need to feel seen. I think all human beings need to feel seen, but especially trans people, when you are aware of who you are, but the world isn’t seeing you that way yet, or maybe they never will. . .It’s so incredibly painful, because you feel invisible. . .So the people who have seen me, and reminded me when I forgot who I was in those moments, that’s who I think I lean on when I have those moments of ‘Can I do it?’”

Levasseur also told us that “one of the things I didn’t see coming with this career and path was that I was going to have to bury a lot of people, especially in the trans community. . .So I think about that, when you ask me ‘Who keeps me going?’ I try to bring [them into] the room, when I’m afraid to speak, or when I have to say something that’s not going to be popular with the cis people in the room. What gives me the courage is that I try to channel, almost like an army of all of the lost people. . .That gives me courage – they’re not here to say this, but. . .those are the people I still have to be fighting for.” 

Looking towards the future, Levasseur told us that “my hope is that it gets easier for people to come out, and to accept themselves. . .My hope is that there’s going to be deeper community connections and opportunities.” Levasseur believes he shares similar fears with other trans people: “to be in the hands of a world that doesn’t understand you and thinks there’s something wrong with you.” For this reason, Levasseur explains that “it’s really important to feel safe in oneself, and to feel lovable, so that you are open to allowing people’s love in. I think that is something that’s really critical for people to believe: that they deserve love. I want to be a force for trans people particularly, where they feel like they are worthy and deserving of love in their life, and whether they are alone or not, they are going to be okay.”

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From the Shore to the Clouds with Jess T. Dugan and Vanessa Fabbre

By Gretchen Feil

Jess T. Dugan (left) and Vanessa Fabbre (right)

The Cloud Dancers Foundation’s mission to serve aging LGBTQ+ populations, with an emphasis on adult and senior transgender individuals, is incredibly necessary due to the fact that there are not many resources that support aging trans individuals. There are also few efforts made to document the histories and lived experiences of aging trans populations, which makes it extremely difficult for people both outside and inside the trans and gender-nonconforming community to gain awareness about the issues that aging trans individuals face, let alone the beauty and depth that their identities bring to their lives and the lives of those around them. 
Photographer Jess T. Dugan is working to combat this lack of resources on and for aging trans communities through their artistic activism. Dugan and their partner, Vanessa Fabbre, who has a background in social work and gerontology (the study of the social, cultural, psychological, cognitive, and biological aspects of aging), published the first edition of their book, To Survive on this Shore: Photographs and Interviews with Transgender and Gender Nonconforming Older Adults, in 2018. To Survive on this Shore is an anthology of interviews that Dugan and Fabbre conducted with aging trans and gender nonconforming (TGNC) individuals. These interviews are paired alongside the carefully personalized photographs that Dugan shot of the participants who chose to open up about their life experiences.

Louis, 54, Springfield, MA, 2014


“Years and years ago when I was a tiny kid I just wanted to grow up to be a husband and a father, but in that time and place it was completely impossible. So the notion that I have those things in my life now is nothing short of miraculous. And how many people in the world can say that the dream they had that was impossible, they are now living it? It is an amazing and surreal and awe-inspiring dream come true. So I am extremely grateful more than anything else, and I will continue to seek that gratitude in ways that I can and continue to be an example to people who are really struggling. The impossible is possible. Likely, maybe not. Easy, most definitely not. But possible. So that is a joy and I will continue doing that until I kick the bucket.”


In their own interview included in To Survive on this Shore, Dugan and Fabbre discussed their experiences while carrying out this five year project. Dugan told interviewer Karen Irvine “With this project, I wanted to create representations of many different ways of living and aging as a trans person. I also wanted to record the history of people who, in many cases, paved the road for the world we live in now. I worried their stories were at risk of being lost or forgotten, and I wanted to record and preserve them.”

In order to create these representations, Dugan and Fabbre spent five years traveling across the United States, seeking out TGNC individuals who agreed to share their stories (much like we try to do at The Cloud Dancers Foundation!). We reached out to Dugan to learn a little more about their interviewing process, and they told us that “Seeking a diverse group of individuals was very important to us and was built into the project from the very beginning. We were mindful of wanting to create a project that felt diverse and complex, but also balanced in terms of the stories and life narratives being shared.”

Dee Dee Ngozi, 55, Atlanta, GA, 2016


“We created the first trans ministry in our church and I sat on the ‘mother board’ with the other mothers. One day, mother Gladys asked me to come and sit down there with them. And after we had our little meeting, after church, Miss Gladys went to do something in the office and then they surrounded me and said, ‘What gives you the right to be here on this mothers’ board? We don’t understand it.’ I said, ‘Because I’m a mother to the ones you can’t love. The ones that you cannot be a mother to, that you throw out on the street every day. Those are my children. The ones you throw away.’ I said, ‘That’s why I’m here.’ You could hear a pin drop, nobody said nothing. They went on and accepted me and said, ‘Come on girl, sit down.’”


Each interview that Dugan and Fabbre conducted proved to be a unique experience, as Dugan told us: “I didn’t get to know each person well until we were actually meeting to make the photograph and conduct the interview.” Dugan said that they and Fabbre primarily selected “participants based on their demographic information, which included their identity, of course, as well as their geographic location.” The particular care that Dugan and Fabbre placed into finding a diverse array of TGNC individuals, across many races, ethnicities, classes, geographic locations, gender identities and expressions, sexualities, life narratives, and more, allows for a rich and comprehensive look into the histories of TGNC individuals in the United States. 

While Dugan and Fabbre found many interview participants on their own through their own connections and presence in LGBTQ+ communities, the potential of the project grew as press opportunities caught people’s attention all over the United States (and abroad!). Dugan told us that after their project was featured in the New York Times in 2015, “we were contacted by people all over the United States (and internationally, although we limited the project to the US) who wanted to participate. At the time of the project’s conclusion, I had a list of hundreds of potential participants and regretted not being able to include everyone who had expressed interest. I was incredibly moved by the overwhelming response to the project and by how many people wanted to participate and share their stories.”

Bobbie, 60, Hanford, CA, 2016


“We never really considered growing  old, we just considered the future. To be honest with you, I’m sixty going on seventeen. People talk about a “reset,” and by gosh, I went through it. When I first came out, I felt like I was fourteen or fifteen. I was stumbling on everything socially. I didn’t know what to do or how to react. I always thought I wasn’t going to make it past forty-five. When I was forty-four, I bought a motorcycle. When forty-six hit, well, I realized I was wrong on that one. But that’s around the time when I started realizing who I was and everything came about. I see a future now with a growing family and I don’t know what shape that will take. That’s the beauty of it, is that I don’t know how it’s going to unfold. I know where our past has been. I’m looking forward to our future.”


Dugan and Fabbre always conducted interviews before creating the corresponding portraits. They told Irvine that this was done so that they could have “some insight into what is important to each person,” which helped Dugan personalize each portrait. Most portraits were also taken in the homes of the interviewees, so that they could be captured in their own environments. Each interview would begin with the question “How do you identify today, and what were some key moments that led to that identity?” and would conclude with the question “As you look ahead, what are your hopes for the future or, alternately, fears about growing older?” These questions encapsulated the important themes in To Survive on this Shore: LGBTQ+ identities, and the more universal theme of aging. 

Aging populations are found across race, class, gender, sexuality, and spiritual lines, among others. This commonality helps draw viewers to Dugan and Fabbre’s project, including elders and younger people of various identities who may not know much if anything about TGNC individuals. Equally important to the educational and awareness aspect of To Survive on this Shore, is the inspiration it provides to young TGNC community members who feel as though they have no one to look up to, no positive examples of who they can grow up to be. 

Jude, 75, Yuba City, CA, 2015


“I started hormones in 1971, when I was thirty-one, and they worked pretty quickly. Within six weeks, I was shaving and my voice had dropped. I had been working as a dog groomer in the same shop for about six years. One of my customers asked, ‘Where did Judy go?’ And my employer said, ‘She went to have a sex change.’ And he said, ‘Oh, no, not sweet little Judy. She wouldn’t do anything like that.’ So my temperament to other people was this sweet, kind, gentle soul, and I think I’m still a sweet, kind, gentle soul, but it’s hard to see under the layers of what we think of as traditional masculinity.”


Interviews for To Survive on this Shore project were edited for length and clarity, but complete copies have been donated to several archives across Canada and the United States, in order to preserve the oral histories of the TGNC community. Fabbre told Irvine that these histories are data, and their conservation will allow social scientists like Fabbre to study and answer research questions regarding “the health and well-being of trans and gender nonconforming older adults.” 

The public can access the interviews and corresponding portraits at the To Survive on this Shore website. Viewers taking a closer look into the site may even find Jude Patton’s full interview and portrait – The Cloud Dancers first wish recipient! 

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New Hungarian Legislation Sparks Protests and International Condemnation

By Skyler Brown

Image Source: Anna Szilagyi/AP

A law passed 157 to one in June by the Hungarian parliament has banned the circulation of content “deemed to promote homosexuality and gender change” in schools and to individuals under 18-years-old went into effect in early July, sparking domestic upheaval and international criticism (France 24). Despite discrimination against sexual orientation and gender identity being banned in 2004 and civil partnerships between same-sex individuals becoming recognized in 2009, Hungarian PM Viktor Orbán and the Fidesz conservative party have been steadily encroaching on marginalized communities since coming to power in 2010 (NBC News). Other legislation passed in the last year has amended the constitution to ban same-sex partners from adoption and sought to prevent intersex and transgender individuals from changing their gender markers on official documents.

This latest anti-LGBTQ+ measure does more than limit comprehensive sex education and informed discussions on gender identity, however. Sharing any information on these topics with those under 18 is outlawed, including advertisements and other forms of media, so long as the government believes it could be directed toward that demographic. According to those who have studied it, “the law means that TV shows and films featuring gay characters, or even a rainbow flag, would be permitted only after the watershed” (The Guardian). The bill also incorporates harsher punishments for pedophiles, conflating non-heterosexual and non-cisgender identities with pedophilia.

EU leaders and human rights activists have condemned these actions and the Venice Commission, one of the leading human rights institutions in the region, has found that it makes “the legal recognition of gender of trans and intersex people unconstitutional and therefore impossible,” with it being “incompatible with international human rights standards” (France 24). It marks a more sinister development in recent Hungarian politics, as the Fidesz party continues to target marginalized communities to strengthen its bid on power. It is no coincidence that Orbán, who campaigned on anti-immigrant policies and anti-Roma sentiment, has placed mounting pressure on the LGBTQ+ community with new elections around the corner in 2022.

These trends not only negatively impact the queer community, as it promotes further stigmatization and discrimination, but undermines democracy as a whole through fear tactics. Growing attacks on the civil liberties and freedom of expression of one group mean the process can be repeated. By expressing support for LGBTQ+ individuals and their identities, international actors provide validity for domestic protesters and those that oppose the new law. International backing means that Hungarians who speak out will be more protected from abuse by their government, as any mistreatment could result in more tangible penalties such as sanctions.

Because of this, the Budapest Pride Festival, which started in late June and concluded last Sunday, received backing from more than 40 embassies and foreign cultural institutions in Hungary. Protest and Pride came together on July 24th as thousands marched in the streets for the annual Pride parade.    As a 16-year-old, Mira Nagy is the exact demographic the government seeks to “protect” through this legislation. She also just so happens to be a part of the LGBTQ+ community, and she made a point of attending Pride in Budapest. When speaking with NBC News, she highlighted the seriousness of this year: “[It] is much more significant, because now there are real stakes.”

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Finding a Voice with Vinodini Dasi: A Trans Vocal Coach

By Gretchen Feil

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Image courtesy of Vinodini Dasi

Part of our mission at The Cloud Dancers Foundation is to use our platform to share the stories of the LGBTQ+ community, particularly those of adult and senior transgender individuals. Members of the adult and senior trans community comprise an often neglected population in our society. This neglect is a result of many factors, whether it be the purposeful erasure of trans experiences by the media and other social institutions, or the inability of aging trans populations to live and express themselves freely due to discriminatory practices that impact everyday life. Trans individuals may also experience multiple layers of oppression, such as ableism, racism, classism, and ageism, among others, that make it even more difficult for them to live their lives in ways that affirm who they are and who they want to be. In our attempt to curb this narrative of invisibility and neglect that trans communities can experience, we make an effort to help lift these unheard and misheard voices. 

Last week, we met with Vinodini Dasi who works as a voice coach and peer mentor. Vinodini Dasi primarily works with trans individuals who are looking to feminize or masculinize their voices, and she also serves as an instructor for general singing lessons. There are not many vocal coaches who are transgender, so Vinodini Dasi’s lived experiences as a gender nonconforming, trans feminine person help inform her teaching and relationships with trans students.

When asked how she got into this type of work, Vinodini Dasi went back to her beginnings, saying “it started off when I was a little kid. . .I had a personality that was different from my container.” Throughout our conversation, Vinodini Dasi referred to bodies, our physical, biological existences, as “containers” that simply hold the soul, mind, and personality. Vinodini Dasi expressed that “if the fixation is on my container, with what it can or cannot do, or with what it looks or does not look like, then you’re wasting time that could be spent at doing something more constructive.” Something more constructive being a focus on the personal, spiritual, and connective aspects of human beings, in addition to our relationships with each other, and especially with God, Vinodini Dasi says.

Vinodini Dasi recounted her experience as a child, not fitting in with kids who shared the same type of “container,” as her, or the male biology. She was “very sensitive, very gentle,” and knew “very quickly” that these more feminine personality traits were “not going to get [her] friends.” So, at a young age, Vinodini Dasi began to experiment with changing her voice, first to sound more like her male peers.

Growing up with her aunt and uncle, Vinodini Dasi began singing lessons. Initially, she tried to sing low, because it would “sound more like I was supposed to,” she recounted. However, her teacher encouraged her to sing in higher registers so that she wouldn’t lose access to the higher pitches in her voice as she got older. Being in theater programs as a child also helped Vinodini Dasi learn many kinds of voices, scales, and vowel shapings. Vinodini Dasi said that after 12 years of being in private singing classes and 4 summers in a theater school, she gained dexterity in her throat muscles, observed how classes can be structured, and learned how instructors can teach expression as well as its various modes.

As Vinodini Dasi got older, she began to transition. However, her aunt and uncle were not supportive of this at the time, and Vinodini Dasi was forced to drop out of college while “house hopping for about three years.” Her financial aid fell through because she was unable to get to classes, and teachers were not helpful – many of those teachers did not make material accessible to Vinodini Dasi, who has autism and impaired vision.

While experiencing various unhealthy, even abusive living situations, Vinodini Dasi began teaching as a voice coach so that she could earn money to eventually move into a better living situation. Eventually, she ended up in a place with a roommate who loves her, with whom she lives today. Vinodini Dasi said that with this roommate, “I could be myself for the first time without fear.”

Today, Vinodini Dasi has more than 5 years of experience as a voice coach, working mainly with other trans individuals. She has worked with many age groups, from children to older adults in their 60s. Vinodini Dasi said that “I teach [my students] what I needed to hear at the darkest point in my life, which is ‘Your voice is beautiful. Your soul is different from your body, but there’s nothing wrong with you. So, we’re going to work on helping you get used to your voice as a safe place for you. . .And when your voice is your safe place, what happens after that is, you’ll begin to feel safe changing the voice.’”

However, Vinodini Dasi clarifies that when she teaches students, she tells them “we’re not changing the voice so that you can feel like you needed to be changed. We’re helping you change your voice so that you can go to the store without getting beaten up. We’re helping you change your voice because our society isn’t at the right place yet – for you to be able to make a connection with somebody on something other than what you look like. . .We’re just helping you be interacted with properly until our society gets changed the way that it needs to, for you to be included, regardless of what is perceived as not feminine enough, or not masculine enough.” In this way, Vinodini Dasi says she gives her students “tools” to reduce the harm that they experience in a society that is not accepting of transgender people.

For many LGBTQ+ individuals, religion can be a source of harm. Vinodini Dasi explained to us both the detrimental and healing aspects that her religious experiences have created. She felt forced to leave the Christian church after growing up in a religious community that was particularly prejudiced against LGBTQ+ individuals. Vinodini Dasi’s religious community emphasized the sex that she was was born with, and stressed their disapproval of a percieved discrepancy between her “container” and her personality and soul. The discrimination Vinodini Dasi experienced made her feel like her love for God was unwanted.

After having to separate herself from God and religion for a period of time, Vinodini Dasi eventually found an accepting community in the Hare Krishna movement. Vinodini Dasi admits that homophobia and transphobia can be found in Vaishnavism as in Christianity, but she claims that “It’s not the movement that’s the problem, it’s bigotry, because you can hide your bigotry in your religion. . .But it doesn’t mean that there’s something wrong with the religious system. . .There’s something wrong with using God as a weapon to limit a person to their container, and that inclination to limit a person happens when there’s a lack of education on gender diversity.” 

Vinodini Dasi believes that “when you find a community that loves God without judging you or analyzing you, or being afraid of you. . .it helps your relationship with God improve.” While not yet fully initiated into the Hare Krishna movement, a mentor gave Vinodini Dasi her spiritual name to help her strengthen and develop her love of Krishna. Vinodini Dasi wishes that this spiritual aspect of life could be more accessible to the LGBTQ+ community, who frequently experience a weaponized God. Vinodini Dasi told us: “I want to be somebody that can help our community know they are made of love, they are born from love, and they will return to love. God is love.” 

We also spoke with Vinodini Dasi about the ways that society can be improved to reduce the harm that people with disabilities experience on a daily basis due to discrimination and a lack of accessibility. Vinodini Dasi says that society should not make people with disabilities feel like they are a spectacle, or like they are being reduced to their disability. Instead, society should help people “have a full, accessible life, without feeling like they are a burden, or that they are getting something special for getting help.” Instead of blaming individuals with disabilities for experiencing life in a different way, society should structurally change and mold itself into a more accessible version that allows all people to participate and contribute in their own ways.

Vinodini Dasi said that on an individual level, when you see somebody “with a disability, and they look like they need help, chances are they probably do.” She continued to describe such a situation, saying a passerby can “go over there and say specifically what you would like to do to help them.” Vinodini Dasi says, ask: “Do you need help with this thing specifically?” The person “might say yes or no, but if they say no, and they have a need for another kind of help, they might ask for it in that moment, knowing that you’re a safe person to ask.”

One day, kids and trans adults alike may not feel the need to “integrate,” as Vinodini Dasi says, into the heteronormative, cisnormative society in which we live today. “We need a society that makes kids know that it’s okay to be as they are. . .We need to create a community where all people are told that” Vinodini Dasi continued, acting out a deep voice, “if they talk like this, and they look like me, they are perfect as they are, because that’s the way that they are.”

Vinodini Dasi is currently accepting new students who are seeking out a vocal coach. She can be reached by email at vinodinidasi108@gmail.com.

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Laurel Hubbard, Transgender Participation in Sports, and IOC Bias

By Skyler Brown 

Laurel Hubbard’s participation in these upcoming games will make her the first transgender Olympian in history. She became eligible for competition following the rule change in 2015 made by the International Olympics Committee (IOC). Hubbard was nominated by New Zealand Olympic Committee after placing 15th in the world for her performance in the 87-kilogram (192 pounds) weightlifting category. Having come out in 2013, the 43-year-old was granted IOC backing due to her meeting requirements for the female category. 

Unfortunately, her participation has not been without controversy, both in regard to what some believe is the disadvantage allowing trans women to compete creates for cisgender women in sport, as well as the inherent issues in how the IOC qualifies what a woman in sports must be. As reported by CNN, Hubbard’s inclusion in the upcoming games “has generated a fierce debate on gender, sexism and sport.” According to the specifications set by the 2015 ruling, trans women must have been out for at least four years and be able to prove that their testosterone levels remained below 10 nanomoles per liter (nmol/L) for at least a year in order to qualify. Meanwhile, a transgender man would have no set restrictions to compete. Previous rules known as the Stockholm Consensus required transgender individuals to undergo sufficient hormone therapy and surgery to fit their gender expression, including the removal of their ovaries or testes, among other things. 

Some argue that these regulations that Hubbard’s – and other trans women’s – participation in sports are still unfair to cisgender women. The argument is that trans women who transition after going through male puberty will still benefit from increased muscle and bone density even if they fall under the threshold set for testosterone level. The reality, however, is less clear. Very few studies have actually been conducted on the effect that transitioning has on athletes, especially when they participate on the elite level. A study conducted by Joanna Harper, a marathon runner who has competed as a trans woman for the past 17 years, was one of the first studies on transgender women in sport, and it was only done in 2015. It found that of the eight non-professional trans women runners had “significantly slower races after transitioning” and performed at “approximately the same level against their female peers as they had against their male peers prior to their transition” (CNN). It is also important to highlight that even though the Olympics and Paralympics have been open to trans athletes since 2004, Hubbard is the first to qualify. Of the 54,000 Olympians and Paralympians who have competed in the span of 17 years, only one has been transgender.

On the other hand, some say that the restrictions set by the IOC when it comes to testosterone levels has also policed the bodies of cisgender women, primarily women of color. Five women in particular have been banned from the upcoming Tokyo Olympics due to naturally higher testosterone levels. World Athletics (the international trand and field association) regulates cisgender women’s natural testosterone levels, too, in order to maintain “fair competition.” Those who have testosterone levels exceeding 5 nmol/L cannot compete in several events unless they take medication to reduce their testosterone levels. It is because of this that Namibian sprinters Beatrice Masilingi and Christine Mboma, Francine Niyonsaba of Burundi, and Margaret Wambui of Kenya are prohibited from participating in Tokyo. Even two-time Olympian Caster Semenya of South Africa is banned from competing. It leaves activists such as Zoé Samudzi begging the question, “At what point does a naturally occurring biological phenomenon become an ‘unfair advantage,’ rather is it a matter of ‘for whom’?”

So while, yes, milestones are being reached for transgender participation in sports, there is much more that needs to be done. Rights activists argue that these fights especially need to be addressed on a non-elite/professional level. Biases and systemic forms of oppression must be replaced. As of June 22nd this year, 25 states have introduced bills seeking to limit or outright ban trans girls and women from participating in sports on teams that align with their identities in the past legislative year. Eight states have completely forbidden them from taking part in girls’ and women’s sports teams in public secondary schools and colleges. Representation such as the Olympics is important. With more than half of transgender and nonbinary teens and adults worried to participate in sports due to their identities, the choices of the IOC and state legislature have the potential to further alienate a group that already suffers from higher rates of suicidal ideation. As Jamie Veale, President of the Professional Association for Transgender Health Aotearoa, states: “It feels like this is a dream of these young people that we can either nurture or we can shatter” (CNN).

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“Let us show you the beauty of what our gender encompasses:” International Non-binary People’s Day

By Gretchen Feil

Last week, we wrote about some of the brief histories behind non-binary identities across different cultures and time periods. In honor of International Non-binary People’s Day todayThe Cloud Dancers Foundation highlights contemporary non-binary and gender nonconforming individuals who are working for positive change in their communities. 

International Non-binary People’s Day has been celebrated since 2012, falling on July 14. This date was chosen because it is the midpoint between International Women’s Day and International Men’s Day, a clever nod at what it means to be non-binary. Non-binary individuals reject the dichotomy of gender that is present in many cultures today, recognizing that gender is a spectrum, not an opposing binary. Non-binary individuals do not identify as men or women, and find themselves somewhere in the in-between of the spectrum that is gender. Many non-binary individuals use they/them/theirs pronouns to properly reflect their gender, and many others may also use a combination of pronouns such as she/they, they/he, neopronouns such as ze/zir, or even feel that any pronoun is appropriate for their gender. 

The following non-binary and gender nonconforming advocates, many of them proud trans adults and elders, are only a few individuals working hard to make important strides in their communities today:


Dana Zzyym, 63, they/them/theirs

Dana Zzyym

63, they/them/theirs


Dana Zzyym, a Navy Veteran and non-binary as well as intersex advocate, has been working towards equity for intersex and trans communities. Over six years ago, Zzyym filed a case against the State Department with the support of Lambda Legal (the same organization that helped our late founder, Robina Asti, win her case to receive Social Security Benefits as a transgender woman), in order to finally recieve a passport that properly reflects their gender as an intersex and non-binary person. Zzyym’s lack of a passport has prevented them from traveling to international conferences, where they have been invited to present on intersex issues. 

However, on June 30th 2021, the State Department gave the news that non-binary, intersex, and gender nonconforming individuals will now be able to use an “X” gender marker on their passports. The State Department has not provided a date by which this new policy will be put into action, but Lambda Legal stated, “The update to the State Department’s policy has been a long time coming and is prompted in large part by three separate court rulings in Dana’s favor.”

Dana currently works as an associate director for Intersex Campaign for Equality, and has said that the new policy is a relief: “We don’t have to lie to get our passports. We can just be ourselves.”


Ser Anzoategui, 41, they/them/theirs

Ser Anzoategui

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Most known for playing the role of Eddy, a queer widow in the show Vida (2018-2020), Ser Anzoategui has been paving the way for non-binary actors in television, film, and media. Vida addresses themes such as gentrification, colorism in the Latinx community, and the experiences of queer people of color, among others. The show provides much needed representation of members of the queer Latinx community, and has recieved many accolades.

Anzoategui’s outstanding performances have made them eligible for both the Golden Globes and the Screen Actors Guild awards. They were also nominated for the Imagen Awards in 2019, which aim to “[recognize] and [encourage] the entertainment industry to portray the Latino community in a positive and accurate manner.” These nominations and eligible statuses, however, came at a cost: there is no non-binary award category. This forces non-binary actors to choose between two genders, man and woman, which do not properly reflect their gender identities. This erasure of non-binary identities and experiences only serves to shrink the little representation that non-binary people have in the media, and Anzoategui writes of the dysphoria it can cause as well.

However, Anzoategui has used their spotlight as a non-binary Latinx performer to advocate for change in the industry. In February this year, Anzoategui penned an article describing why there needs to be non-binary performance categories at award shows, which will help prevent only one of the “painful” and “unacceptable” experiences that non-binary performers have to go through in the industry.
Anzoategui writes that “this advocacy for the non-binary category is bigger than our industry; it contributes to normalizing our bodies. It gives us value and worth on the streets we walk daily where sometimes safe spaces do not exist for us. . .Let us show you the beauty of what our gender encompasses. Stop limiting us from the endless ways in which we embody our gender. Embrace us. All of us.”


Mauree Turner, 27, they/them/theirs

Mauree Turner

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Representative Mauree Turner (D) became the first out non-binary official to be elected to a state legislature when they won the 2020 race for District 88 of Oklahoma. Rep. Turner is also the first Muslim legislator to be elected in Oklahoma, demonstrating a very important step for Muslim and LGBTQ+ Americans in Oklahoma and the United States at large, especially for those that find themselves at the intersections of these communities. 

Representative Turner achieved their election victory by a landslide, winning 71 percent of the vote over Republican opponent Kelly Barlean. Rep. Turner credits this victory to their constituents and the capacity of self advocacy, saying that, “We ran a campaign based on a lot of things and deep community power is one of those. . .We ran a campaign based off of the idea that we don’t always need to have allies advocate for us but we can advocate for ourselves. That was a message a lot of people could get behind. . .I had to put faith in my community to catch me when I jumped, and they did.”

The platform that Rep. Turner promotes is a progressive one, and their campaign website makes this clear: “Their life’s work is geared towards fighting for and maintaining the civil rights and liberties for all who enter America.” Rep. Turner mentions criminal justice reform, better public education, living wages, an integrated healthcare system, and visibility as well as accurate representation in the government as some of their key issues to be addressed while in office. 

Mauree Turner, Ser Anzoategui, and Dana Zzyym are only a few of the many non-binary and gender nonconforming individuals who are advocating for LGBTQ+ communities today. They are certainly not the only inspiring individuals to recognize this International Non-binary People’s Day, but their efforts undeniably shine through as we at The Cloud Dancers Foundation celebrate all non-binary people today and every day. 

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A Brief History of Nonbinary Gender: From Ancient Times to the Early Modern Period

By Skyler Brown

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Despite some claiming the contrary, the concepts of a tertiary gender identity or an identity outside of the gender binary is not new. While it is certain that people on average have become much more aware of the existence of these identities, they have been recorded for millennia. In fact, they are mentioned in some of the earliest written records of human civilization. To understand gender as we know it today, it is important to see how it was viewed yesterday and beyond, as it shows that a variance in identities is a part of humanity.

Mesopotamian myths, which contain religious beliefs of the earliest human civilization, featured many references to individuals that were neither male nor female or were not what we would know today to be cisgender. One of the most powerful deities was known as Inanna (and later on as Ishtar) and had a particularly strong relationship with gender. Inanna was the goddess of sex, war, and justice as well as the queen of heaven. It was believed that she had the power to change a person’s gender, something noted by a follower as early as the 23rd century BCE. Thus, individuals with nonbinary identities were often involved in religious practices surrounding her, with “her cult members and priests were known for their androgyny and blurring or destroying the gender binary” (Academus).

One such group referred to its members as pilipili, or individuals who played roles in celebratory festivals honoring Inanna. The pilipili were originally raised in society as women (ki-sikil) but were then blessed by Inanna, who handed them a spear “as if she were a man” and renamed them (Academus). It is debated whether the handing of a spear is literal, with the pilipili becoming warriors and as a result defying traditional binary roles or if the spear refers to a physical transformation of the individual.

Another segment of Inanna’s followers was the gala or her priests. Priests were recorded to have been cisgender women, married or unwed, or women with children, but there were gala that were biologically male as well. In these cases, these individuals adopted women’s names and became women “for all intents and purposes” (Academus). They even sang in a Sumerian dialect known as eme-sal, a pattern of speech solely reserved for women to deliver the words of goddesses.

Other relics have been found showing the existence of individuals who were outside the gender binary, suggesting that it is possible that ancient Sumer recognized these identities in ordinary society and not in just religious spheres. Of course, this is speculative because the Sumerian language did not use gendered pronouns, but it is a common interpretation of these ancient texts and remaining art.

Another gender variant recorded all of the way back to before the common era (BCE) was that of hijras in the Indian subcontinent. These individuals were noted in the Kama Sutra and other ancient Hindu texts, and the term included eunuchs, intersex people, and transgender people. Despite attempts to wipe out this identity by the British following their passing of the Criminal Tribes Act in India in 1871, hijras are still present today and are legally recognized as a part of a third gender category by the state. Sadly, the efforts of the British during colonization have had an impact on society’s view of hijras, being the beginning “of a mainstream discomfort… [with] transgender people and hijras” (New York Times).

Around the same time of the Kama Sutra, approximately 385-380 BCE, Aristophanes detailed a creation myth revolving three sexes or genders. Males were believed to be “born of the sun”, while females were “born of the earth” (Diogenes). A tertiary category, androgynos (now translated to androgynous), was believed to have been born from the moon and androgynos individuals had combined male and female traits. Aristophanes claimed that androgynos no longer existed. Today, it is often suggested that Aristophanes was solely referring to intersex individuals, explaining the different physical and biological traits of males and females existing in one person, but it is interesting to speculate on the potential for the features to represent the individual’s understanding of the gender expression as well.

Finally, it is necessary to highlight the history of the two-spirit identity in different Native cultures. More than 150 Native American tribes recognized third genders in their communities prior to colonization, with many of these identities having unique names and cultural significance. Most tribes considered two-spirit individuals a third gender, being neither men nor women, and the same terminology was used in reference to them. Other tribes, however, had a distinct word for two-spirit females, making them a fourth gender variant. What is apparent, however, is that the concept of gender had much more fluidity in Native American society than its European counterpart.

Two-spirit people in some tribes held special roles in their communities, sometimes as healers or religious leaders. Unfortunately, many traditions in Native communities have been lost due to colonization, and “two-spirit roles, in particular, were singled out for condemnation, interference, and many times violence” (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services). Much of what is known has survived by being passed down orally through generations.

All of these examples scratch the surface of what is known in regard to gender expression prior to the early modern period. It is difficult to truly measure the scale because the further back one goes, the harder it is to find a wide array of text and relics from the period. What can be said for certain, however, is that individuals who identified outside of the gender binary have been a part of civilization since its infancy and have played valuable roles in a wide array of societies. This knowledge should help bring understanding that overall, human gender is quite fluid, and being aware and accepting this is part of long-practiced human traditions.

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CDF’s Second Wish Recipient Hopes to Lift Up “All Oppressed Communities”

By Skyler Brown

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Kylar Broadus is the second recipient of Cloud Dancers’ wish-fulfillment program. Broadus has contributed to the LGBTQ+ rights movement for more than 30 years as an activist, author, lawyer, professor, and public speaker. He was the first transgender American to testify in front of the U.S. Senate in support of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act in 2012 and was later present while President Obama signed the Executive Order protecting LGBTQ+ individuals from discrimination in the workplace. Today, he is the director of the Trans People of Color Coalition (TPOCC), an organization he founded in 2010 dedicated to fighting for and amplifying the voices of trans people of color.

In his discussion with CDF, Broadus highlighted the role that elders played in shaping him and his journey and feels that there need to be “more groups like Cloud Dancers.” While there “weren’t many people that were out and visible” for him to learn from in the LGBTQ+ community, he credited his parents for teaching him a proper work ethic and what it means to be a “servant leader.” Broadus described his parents’ roles in civic projects among the black community in addition to working seven days a week. Although he said his parents “knew nothing [about the LGBTQ+ community],” their teachings to be strong and proud of who you are is what allowed him to “endure and journey and do the work.”

That work has included serving on the board of directors of Freedom for All Americans, as a counselor at the National LGBTQ Task Force and the Human Rights Campaign, and as a founding member of the Transgender Law and Policy Institute, to name a few things. His focus on LGBTQ+ law has garnered referrals from the ACLU, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, and Lambda Legal. Broadus’ work ethic has fueled his motivation, resulting in his never-ending pursuit to fight for “all oppressed communities.” It is this determination that led Cloud Dancers to select Broadus as a grant recipient.

Now, Broadus is focusing on three key issues within the LGBTQ+ community. The first is addressing the needs of transgender military members in the United States, with trans individuals being twice as likely to serve. Since the Biden Administration lifted the trans military ban, Broadus and TPOCC are partnering with GLAD and the National Center for Lesbian Rights to ensure trans people and their rights are protected. This is being done partly through amplifying the voices of transgender military members as well as providing resources and support in cases of litigation.

Broadus is also focused on the legislative attacks on transgender youth that are occurring throughout the United States. More than 100 bills have been proposed in 38 states targeting transgender individuals, particularly trans youth. While some prevent students from participating in athletics, others prohibit access to medical care that would ease transitioning or even hamper puberty. Broadus believes that for “those that want to transition in their teenage years: that’s when transitions should happen. Not when people are 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 unless they want to do that.” These new pieces of legislation provide a potentially lethal roadblock to transition, considering the already high rate of suicide and suicide attempts of transgender and nonbinary adolescents. Fighting against these bills is crucial to protect young members of the community, something that Broadus seeks to tackle.

Finally, Broadus stressed the importance of intersectionality within the LGBTQ+ community, something he feels needs improving. As a Black trans man, he is happy to see a greater number of BIPOC in top positions of the movement, but he emphasizes that until structural and systemic issues such as racism are addressed, progress will be limited. Being more aware and more inclusive of everybody in the movement will increase its strength and ensure the rights of all individuals in the community.

“Many people make assumptions about what I do and who I am and why I do it, and now I’m really getting to share with you why I do what I do… It is about serving other people and helping them live to their full potential.”


Know someone deserving of a wish? Nominate yourself or someone else through the Cloud Dancers Foundation Wish Nomination form today.

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We Mourn the Passing of Robina Asti

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By CDF Team

We are saddened to share that our beloved founder, Robina Asti, has passed away at 99-years-old, just a few weeks shy of what would have been her 100th birthday.

Friends of The Cloud Dancers Foundation, 

It is with great sadness that we inform you that our founder, Robina Asti, has passed away. 

Robina, who was a WWII transgender veteran and the founder of The Cloud Dancers Foundation, died peacefully surrounded by her family. She was 99 and would have turned 100-years-old on April 7, 2021.

When Robina started the Cloud Dancers Foundation, she did so to help people who feel invisible feel seen. Because of your generous donations, we were able to grant our first wish in 2020. Robina was extremely proud to see her dream of bringing visibility to those who feel invisible start to come to life.

It is our mission now to continue her legacy. 

To celebrate Robina’s nearly 100 years of life we are seeking to raise $100,000 for all her years of impacting the world and to continue the mission of the Cloud Dancers Foundation. We’re calling this ambitious endeavor our “$100k for 100 Years” goal. If you are able to donate, no amount is too small. We hope you share Robina’s story with others. 

You can expect to hear more from us in the coming weeks as honor Robina on Transgender Day of Visibility (March 31) and on what would have been her 100th birthday (April 7). We are planning a public Zoom memorial and will be sharing more details on our social pages.   With gratitude and optimism for the future,
The Cloud Dancers Foundation

For any donations please visit: https://charity.gofundme.com/o/en/campaign/clouddancers.

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Celebrating Transgender Dads this Father’s Day

By Gretchen Feil

Thomas and his oldest daughter, Susan. Photo: Instagram
Thomas and his oldest daughter, Susan. Photo: Instagram

Holidays can be difficult times for members of the LGBTQ+ community, especially those oriented around family celebrations. However, they can also be times of joy and fulfillment, whether queer people find themselves surrounded by accepting families full of unconditional love, or found families who step in and become the support system that we all deserve. With the recent passing of Father’s Day, The Cloud Dancers Foundation celebrates the stories of love and care that transgender parents bring to their children and families. 

Thomas Beatie became the first legally recognized man to give birth in the United States in 2008. Beatie was not the first trans man to ever give birth, but he may have been one of the first to do so in the spotlight. Beatie and his family experienced ridicule from the media and the public, but looking back on the experience he wrote, “I wouldn’t have changed a thing. . .It allowed people to start a deeper conversation about gender and social roles in a way that wouldn’t have been broached otherwise.”

By bringing his personal experience regarding his pregnancy to the public, Beatie became an advocate for transgender and reproductive rights. He documented his experience in his book,  Labor of Love: The Story of One Man’s Extraordinary Pregnancy, wrote various articles on the web, and starred in a widely viewed documentary called Pregnant Man (2008). Beatie also shared and advocated for his experiences as a trans man in interviews with Oprah Winfrey, and has become a public speaker. 

Originally born in Hawaii in 1974, Beatie transitioned in the late ‘90s. By the time Beatie married his first wife, Nancy, in 2003, he had legally updated his birth certificate, among other documents, to properly reflect his identity as a man.  In 2008, Beatie published an article announcing his pregnancy, which is where his journey as an advocate began. He wrote, “Wanting to have a biological child is neither a male nor female desire, but a human desire,” and continued on to affirm that it feels “incredible” to be pregnant, and that “I will be my daughter’s father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family.” Beatie concluded his proud birth announcement by stating that “our situation ultimately will ask everyone to embrace the gamut of human possibility and to define for themselves what is normal.”

By 2011, Beatie had two more children with his first wife Nancy, and the family moved to Arizona from Hawaii. In 2013, the couple filed for divorce but faced a discriminatory ruling in the court. During his divorce process, Beatie found himself in a situation similar to that of The Cloud Dancers Foundation founder Robina Asti. Asti, a trans woman, was denied Social Security benefits after her husband, Norwood Patton, died. The Social Security Administration said it was because Asti was not legally a woman. Asti went on to fight the case, and won, forever changing survivorship benefit rights for trans people. 

In Beatie’s case, the court initially ruled that he and his wife could not divorce because their marriage was invalid. At the time, same-sex marriage was illegal in Arizona and the judge considered the marriage to be between two women solely because Beatie had given birth, ignoring the fact that he had been living as a man for over a decade and had legally changed his gender status in 2002, before his marriage to Nancy. 

Later, the couple appealed the ruling and won. The appellate court ruling discounted the reasoning that the marriage was invalid, and declared “Beatie should not have had to be sterilized in order to be legally recognized as a man in Arizona or Hawaii.” Beatie was then able to go through with his divorce after receiving this affirmative ruling that protected transgender rights, with specific respect to reproductive rights. 

Several years later, Beatie remarried his current wife Amber, with whom he shares a life in Arizona with his three children, in addition to a fourth child that Amber carried in 2018.

Looking back on his experiences as a trans father in the public eye, Beatie said that “Back then, people said the world wasn’t ready for this,” however, he claims that “If I had waited for the world to be ready, I wouldn’t be the father I am today. Here we are now, my visibility has given many transgender people the courage to live their best lives. . .For a private transgender man to put himself out in the public eye—it wasn’t the coolest or easiest thing to do, but my hope was that my visibility might lead the way for others like me to have hope and live their lives proudly and openly, with fairness under the law. Though the landscape has changed, we still have a long way to go.”